As an update to my “Tale of Two Dishes”, I did find out a little more about Franciscan dishes. They were originally produced in Glendale, California by Gladding, McBean & Co. in the year 1934. The company produced casual dinnerware in the style of Mexican folk pottery.
It was sold under the name Franciscan and was quite popular even during the Great Depression. The Franciscan name alludes to the American Southwest and Franciscan monks. The name was changed in the late 30’s to Franciscan Ware to allow for a more upscale image. (Not sure how that changed anything, but I am sure it made sense to someone.)
In 1941, the company began producing raised-relief, hand-painted dinnerware. Of these, only two , Desert Rose and Apple, are the only continuously produced patterns.
In 1962, Franciscan became part of a large ceramic company, International Pipe and Ceramics Corporation, known as Interpace. In 1979, Interpace sold Franciscan to Josiah Wedgwood & Sons, LTD of England. Wedgewood renamed the company Franciscan Ceramics. In 1984, all the plants producing Franciscan ware in California were closed, and the production was moved “across the pond” to England. In the year 2000, production of Franciscan ware was moved from England to “other countries”.
Now, let’s see how the look of the dishes has changed over time and location of production. The dishes made in the USA have scalloped edges on the plate and pronounced raised relief of the flowers, leaves and branches in the photo below.
These dishes were made in California until 1984, when the Franciscan brand was sold to Wedgewood in England and the production was moved to Staffordshire, England. Below is a plate that was made in England. Notice that the raised relief is less pronounced and the edges are more rounded. The paint is perhaps a little darker. These are still nice dishes. In this case the “Made in USA” is preferred to the “Made in England”, but typically English brands are more expensive and more collectible. Britain has a very fine dish-making tradition, and many of my other dishes (mostly Spode) were made in England. So I don’t mind that most of my Desert Rose dishes are British made. A few of my Desert Rose dishes were made in the USA, and I found one that does not specify where it was made, so I am quarantining that one.
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| Desert Rose, Made in England |
In 2000, the production of the dishes was moved overseas, and I think we all know what that means… probably China. As mentioned in the previous post, the paint on these dishes is more harsh, I doubt that they are hand-painted any more, and there is little or no raised relief.
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| Desert Rose, Made “overseas” |
The USA and English made dishes have a pattern that is more raised and the paint, and painting is 100 times better than the “Made overseas” dishes. The USA dishes are obviously the most desirable since they are the original ones, they are the oldest, and they are the most detailed, and best-looking. As for the cost, we all know how supply and demand works; the more the demand and the less the supply, the higher the cost. Since the USA dishes are the most in demand and the hardest to find, they are the most expensive. On the other hand, the English dishes are also hand-painted and have raised relief, and are still very nice. So I think they are the best deal if you are on a budget. But if money is no object to you, then I recommend the original California-made dishes.
You can tell where the dishes are made by looking on the back. There are several different marks, and in the interest of space and not boring you, I will only show a few. The one below is the “Made in USA” mark. It is hard to see, but look above the “253” below.
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| Made in USA |
Next, is one of the “Made in England” marks. There are several different ones, but they typically mention that they are “microwave safe” which clearly is a clue that they were not made in the 40’s.
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| Made in England |
And here is the marking that tells it all, by what it doesn’t say. It doesn’t mention where it is made, which seems to be a popular approach now. Notice that a lot of new dishes which used to proudly proclaim “Made in England” or “Made in Britain” in a permanent mark now simply show a removable paper label that reads “made in China”. Clearly they are hoping that the label will fall off, or that people won’t even notice.
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| Made in ??? |
Now this mark clearly doesn’t mention where it is made. As I mentioned, there was probably a paper label at one time that has come off. Don’t let the cute little pink flower fool you into buying these. If you see this mark, think of the robot on Lost in Space, yelling, “Danger! Danger Will Robinson!” I know that some people are on a budget, so if that is you, consider buying second-hand dishes from eBay or a consignment store. (This set I purchased at a consignment store did not include the teapot, so I got this one on eBay.) You can probably find some used Bristish or American pieces for the same price you would spend on brand new dishes from China. In fact, the trend is moving toward everything being made in China, so if you want beautiful well-made handcrafted items, second-hand is becoming the only way to buy them. But I digress.
Back to my “new” Desert Rose collection, it is now unpacked and in my buffet. I am enjoying them every day, and try to use them for a cup of tea at least once a day. They made not be the original California dishes, but I am still happy to have the English ones. “Cup of tea, Love?” They are still “the Real McCoy” as far as I am concerned.
Update November 2019: I have been researching these dishes to determine if they are safe to use. I am finding very conflicting information about them, and even about how to test them for lead. Some suggest using a swab test easily available on Amazon, while other suggest that test is not appropriate for dishes. Some people are reporting that these dishes have a high lead content, even the ones made later in England. So what can you do to be safe? Well, use your best judgement for your family, and do your own research. If you are concerned, then don’t use the dishes. Using the dishes for dry food, like a cookie, is much safer than using the dishes for liquids. Also if there are cracks or crazing, then it would be safer not to use the dishes for food. Another tip is to use a glass plate on top of the dishes if you want to continue using them. Or if you feel they are not safe, then you can use them only for display.
I am not an expert, and I don’t feel that I am informed enough to make a recommendation on use, but clearly the safest choice is to not use them. Feel free to leave your thoughts in the comments.
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I have my grandmothers Franciscan Apple and I love it! Glad you finally got your hearts desire 🙂
What do the numbers 27-69 mean on the trademark stamp on the back of an Apple motif, Franciscan earthware dish indicate? Full trademark says Franciscan Earthenware, made in USA, overn/safe/color-fast. I am trying to determine wat year this dish was made, and if it is lead-free. I could find no site on internet indicating what 27-69 represents. I was wondering if it means made in 1969. Thank you for your assistance, or any information you may provide.
To Atticuscove Cove
I would like to know if you was able to find out what the back stamp numbers 27-69 represent on the Francisican Desert Rose?
I would like to know what the numbers mean too.
I have this pattern but have different stamps on the back of different pieces.
Thank you for any help on this matter.
You can find the information from https://www.gmcb.com/franciscan/archive_library.html
There is a book out on it as well…
This artical was wonderful and informative, as I have my Grandmother’s Desert Rose Dishes from California. I continue to purchase pieces from England and CA. It’s a shame that we can’t figure out lead content in these😳.
Regardless, I love them.
“27-69” indicates that the dish was made in 1969 and decorated by decorator #27.
From what I have researched, 27 could very well be the painter’s ID number, and 69 the year the dish was produced.
I have my Mother’s Apple design and started looking where the pieces like serving bowl and a tea pot relish server and oval cookie jar were made. There was one made in England and the rest in USA -Gladding McBean, in CA and LA.
Will check on the plates and cups . This piece of information about FRANCISCIAN WARE has been very helpful We used to eat on it when I was young in Illinois. I only wanted this design and not any fancy china because it is sentimental and very nice to look at.
This post was fascinating! I grew up with my moms Franciscan Apple Dishes, and always wanted the apple pattern. That is until I saw the dessert rose at the age of 12. My mom started collecting them for me then, for 8 years until I was married in 1995. Garage sales, estate sales, here a little there a little. Yes, I have the variations int he plates of England and USA, but those last ones are a travesty! I have none of those. I have 1 gravy boat, 25 large plats, 13 small ones, the salt and pepper, the goblets and water glasses, and miscellaneous tea service and a myriad of other pieces. I LOVE these dishes! In Las Vegas, my hometown, desert rose grows here easily and all over. So it pays homage to my home. Thank you for sharing your love foe the DR and for a great post down memory lane.
I LOVE this post! My mom has the full service of Apple dishes. When I was 12 I saw the desert rose at a store. From that day on, until I was married 8 years later in 1995, my mom collected those dishes for me. Garage sales, estate sales, etc.. I have an odd variety of the desert rose- 26 plates, 13 small plates, goblets, water glasses, the rose bud salt and pepper, gravy boat, sugar bowl, 12 desert bowls. 16 large bowls, 1 serving bowl, etc.. I LOVE them! I had not seen that last variation from China and it is hideous! Makes me sad. I am so glad to have the other, some a a little chipped, but chipped with character! Thanks so much for sharing this trip down memory lane!
I remember my mom bought her set of theses dishes in 1959. Every month we took the bus downtown to pay on her lay-away at the department store. She has passed away and I have those dises she loved. Everytime I bring them out for guests I hear, “Oh, Desert Rose, those were my mother’s dishes” or “my grandmother’s dishes”. One look is all it takes to bring back a flood of memories and a wonderful dinner conversation.
can you post a picture of the bottom of one of the bowls or plates. I have three sets and the older one is from my aunt, i have mixed them up and would like to keep them separate thanks
I also have the four different stamps on my “desert rose pattern and am curious of how much they are different. My pattern started with the USA and England and a lot of another stamp before 1995-6 that doesn’t say or can’t
see a stamp of where it was made. Can you help with my investigation.
Michaela, I wish I had answers for you, but I don’t. I am not sure where to find the answers either. Surely there is an expert somewhere, but sadly that’s not me. Please come back and let us know what you find out.
I was wondering about the backstamp on the example given for “Made in the USA” The Copyright and Trademark stamps are side by side. Most examples I see are not. Was this a certain year or manufacture?
Thanks for all this great information on the Franciscan Pottery!
I KNEW that in the past I had read a blog post that you had written on Desert Rose and just found it!! Last week I found about half a set for 4 (with the Gladding McBean mark!!!!) in a Goodwill. The most I paid was $1.99 for the dinner plates. I also got 4 matching hand painted sherbet glasses for $.99 each! I thought when I had visited a nearby town I had seen these dishes at very low prices at an antique mall so when was back there yesterday I found them. And all the pieces were on a spring sale for 40% off! The most expensive pieces were the dinner plates which were $4.50 BEFORE the 40% off discount.! Now I have service for four including dinner, luncheon, salad/dessert , and bread and butter plates, salad bowls, dessert bowls, and cups and saucers! I am SO excited. Half of the antique mall set was American and half English, but at those prices that is okay!
Vikki, you did GOOD girl!! The English pieces are worth a lot!!
I have a service for 12 of Desert Rose, much of it manufactured in Great Britain. I also have serving pieces, fish plates and several other items I can’t remember. Do you have an idea about the price of a place setting both English and Californian? Thanx
Sandi, things change every month and prices vary by region. What do you want the pricing for? For insurance purposes, go to replacements.com. If you want to know how much you can buy them for, try ebay.com. They have a lot of ‘buy now’ options that don’t require bidding. That should give you an idea for what the pricing would be. You can also try etsy.com.
Anita, Thank you for your info, very interesting. I have a relish dish I got at a thrift shop for 1.00. It doesn’t say made in USA or England, just made in California with initials PJ below it, a number 82 on the left and I’m not sure if it is a F or 1 to the right of the 82. Any ideas if it’s a fake or not? Thanks
Probably it’s legit, but also probably not worth a lot. Seems like the prices have gone down a good bit in the last few years.
i just found this and have a question. I thought you said the usa dishes were more desirable, yet here you say the made in england dishes are worth more. can that really be if there is more interest in the usa ones? i found your article very interesting. i just purchased a setting of10 and am trying to figure out their age. thanks. julie
Julie, the American dishes are more desirable and expensive. If I said something else, that was a typo. My apologies.
Hello… I have a set of Desert rose collection
Made in California. I am very interested in selling them to a collector. My mother used to have the job of hand painting on them so they were always quite lovely to me. I have moved into a small house and I need to get them moved to a good home if you are interested in buying them please call me 253-581-7163 and leave a message and I’ll call you right back Debra Cawein
I was wondering if you know the value of the original 1941 set of Franciscan Rose set. We have a full set from my grandmother.
Shannon, no I don’t. I would check on ebay to see what they are selling for there if you want to find out.
It’s all about condition. It varies wildly based on that.
I have inherited my grandmothers desert rose. I have always loved them. I have no idea the monetary value but the are priceless to me.
I have acquired a large lot of Desert Rose from an estate sale. I’m trying to date the pieces. It seems through the years they continued to add to their collection. I have been able to eat all the “made in the USA pieces but cannot find any information on dating the “Made in England” backstamps. It covers a time period of about 25 years and there are several different stamps used. If you or anyone can point me in the direction of a good resource to find this information it would be greatly appreciated.
Replacements might have some info on the pattern.
I acquired a set for service of 8 of desert rose at an estate sale. I am surprised how many pieces I got for the price in such good condition. 3 different types of plates, soup bowls, vegetable bowls, small pitcher, cream and sugar. I had more pieces that I sold previously. I wanted an eclectic set of dishes and I have lovedthem. At this time though, I am looking at selling the rest of the set. InI need something more durable for everyday. Any ideas if the best place to sell pieces?
Brandi, is there a consignment or resale shop near you? That would be the easiest option. You can also go with Craigslist or eBay.
This post was quite some time ago but even in 2019/20 we readers still benefit. I just acquired a whole bunch of Desert Rose dishes as a thank you from a client, which I already had lots of pieces from my grandmother who got them from her aunt. So now I have quite a few duplicates I’m unlikely to use and several damaged pieces. I’m sure I can sell the nice duplicates, but is there any use for the damaged ones or should I just throw them out? The ones with cracks have the most unusual cracks as the different sides of the crack are at different elevations, not like a regular crack in a piece is ceramic or china. Weird. Anyway, I don’t expect anybody would pay for them but are there people using them for arts or crafts projects to who I should donate them? It makes me sad to think of them in a landfill but I’m trying to be better about my hoarding tendencies and really get rid of things I won’t use like cracked platters.
I have a set of the Desert Rose with “ovenproof” written on the bottom. Some pieces in the set say made in California others say made in USA. My question is are they dishwasher proof?
Jean, I really don’t know. My guess is that they are.
Thank you very much for clearing this up. I was near buying some on Amazon, probably from China and what a disappointment that would have been!
My mother in law gave me hers. All made in California. I loved your blog and learned so much about my desert rose. I have picked up a few pieces (bowls) in consignment shop and I made sure they were made in the USA or Calufornia. I love the cups. Can the cups be used to make pudding in the oven?
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Darlene
I don’t think I would put those in the oven Darlene. It might be okay, but maybe not.
I grew up eating on the Desert Rose plates daily at my grandmother’s. She received them as a wedding gift when she married my grandfather in the 40’s. Anyway, when she passed away, my aunt got all of them and I have the wonderful memories. I have always wanted to acquire some and then a lady in my neighborhood posted some for sale, because she is retiring and downsizing. I got a set of dishes and serving pieces ( 140 in all.) I also received a tablecloth that is embroidered to match. It is in great condition except for a few tea stains that I am going to gently work on. I plan to keep most of this set. All pieces are from the 40’s through the 60’s. I am going to sell some pieces that I am not going to use, including the tablecloth. However, I have no idea how much the tablecloth is worth. I have found some images online but none for sale. Does anyone have any idea what this might be worth? Thanks for any possible help.
I have recently seen the tablecloth as well as placemats for sale on eBay. Tablecloth was pricey! (12/22/2019)
Good to know!
my indian summer set is 1958-1960 tv mark , . but I am looking to buy some more bowls and they have “Discovery” added to that mark.? And the “C & R” are not together on right but separated , right and left. I am not familiar with this mark ?
We have a few pieces of the Desert Rose pattern that are ‘Made in Portugal’. One is the anniversary tea set made in 2001. The majority of our pieces are made in England though.
Mine are mostly made in England as well Ann.
Thank you so much for this very useful article. My husband (we are in our mid-50s) has quite a few dishes that belonged to his grandmother. According to your article, a lot of them are originals from the ’30s. His now deceased wife started adding to the collection to replace a few broken pieces, probably in the 90s. Thank you for this well written article. We don’t seem to have any tea cups so now we have a new hobby to start looking for old replacements. This will look nice with the antique jadite I’ve collected over the years.
My pleasure Barbara. I’m glad it was helpful to you.
Anita…do you have any idea what the stamp on the back of the 1940’s collection looks like? My hubby sent me a pic from an antiques store, and the stamp had the Interpace on the back, so I know they are the 1960’s collection. I’d like to start looking for the 1940’s collection.
I don’t. My set is mostly English. I bet you could find that info online.
Pinterest currently has a couple of pages showing all the marks for Franciscan.
Doris, July 31, 2021
Stumbled onto your site after searching for information on a set of the Desert Rose Franciscan Ware Made In England I purchased today at our local Thrift Store for $60. I have a pristine set consisting of one small platter, 4 salad plates, 6 of the 8 inch dinner plates, 6 of the 10 inch dinner plates, 4 small cups, 4 cereal bowls, and a salt and pepper shaker set. I’m so happy to have gotten to your website to learn more of the Made In England Franciscan Ware. The story in short, behind the purchase dates back to the early 60’s when my parents bought a complete set of the Made In USA Desert Rose pattern. My brother now has this set. I never thought much about the dishes but when I saw this small set today I knew I had to have it. Thanks for the information, you have been a real help and the information is well put together. There is one question I have right now and hope you might know how I can learn more about the firing process of this collection. I’ve heard many conflicting comments at a couple of sites saying the USA (California) made Franciscan Ware stemming from the 40’s is safe and free of lead contamination. What about the process used in the making of the English line? Thanks so much Anita for your wonderful website and any information you have is appreciated.
The English dishes should be fine, because they were made in the 1980’s and later. I have many sets of vintage dishes, and only one set ever tested positive for lead paint. If you are concerned, just buy a test kit at the hardware store.
Hello I have a set and some of my dishes have a strange stamp on them, I got them in 1983 so I know they’re authentic, have you seen this stamp before?
Jan, I’m not an expert. You might check with some websites that specialize in Desert Rose dishes.
Thanks for a really interesting article. I read that Lucy Ricardo’s dinnerware was Franciscan “Ivy”. Mine is Desert Rose and most of it was Mom’s. She gave me a starter set in the 70s and we added to both our sets over the years. Now I have inherited hers so have a great collection. There’s quite a difference in the different pieces so you can tell how new or old they are. Everyone agrees that the old ones are prettiest. Mom always used them as her ‘good’ dishes and so did I until last year. My husband said “What are you saving them for?” He was so right and now we enjoy using them every day and they go through the dishwasher every day, no problem.
I just inherited a set with items from California and England. Do you use yours in the microwave? Thank you!
Pat, I don’t use a microwave,but I wouldn’t put the California dishes in the microwave. They are pretty old.
Hi Anita,
Excellent blog! Thanks so much for the info. I have a full set of service for 12 of my late mother’s Desert Rose Francis made in California plus a variety of serving pieces. What is the best way to accomplish selling full set or pieces? Also is there a better place than Ebay… thank you
EBay or Etsy would be my recommendation. You can also try a consignment shop. Good luck Janis.
Do you know where to buy the recently made ones, in desert rose, and apple? ive heard tuesday morning.
Shannon, I think the safest bet is to look on eBay or Etsy.
Wonderful informative resource are books/brochures by Delleen.
Sorry, last name was Enge.
I have a Jam Jar with lid AND spoon.
Did this come with a spoon? It fits perfectly and certainly looks authentic, but I can’t find a picture on the web ANYWHERE that has a spoon.
Lucky you Dwaine!!!
Anita,
We are going through my mother-in-law’s home (deceased in Oct. 2017) and she has the Franciscan “Desert Rose” dishes. This blog was incredible. So thorough and informative
Thank you so much!
Carol
Anita,
We are going through my mother-in-law’s home (deceased Oct. 2017). This blog was incredible. So thorough and informative. She has the “Desert Rose” pattern. I can determine from which era they may have been produced. Thanks so much.
I have a set of the dresert rose and wondered if someone could help me date them? The logo on the back has a castle of some kind and says Franciscan “The California Craftsman since 1875” made in USA.
I have a massive set of desert rose that was given to me. I have since found China I like better and want to get rid of my set. Any advice on selling it?
Clare, I would try a consignment store or craigslist to sell your dishes.
Clare did you find a buyer yet for your Desert Rose? If not please contact me.
Thank you
I have a set for six, dinner, cups, saucers, bowls of Desert Rose. They have been packed up for years and not used. Hard to read the bottom of some of the saucers, etc. but I did see they were made in USA. If you are interested contact me at mgal63@gmail,.com.
Hi Cathy Moore, Are you interested in buying some Desert Rose dishes? I have some from England, if interested? maraboolala@gmail.com
I have a set for sale.
404-245-1827
Kathy Moore, If interested,I have an eight piece place setting of Desert Rose pattern, that are all “MADE IN THE USA:. I also have additional serving pieces if you are interested in buying. Prefer not to see on EBAY
Diane thank you for responding I am interested. Anyway you can tell me what serving pieces you have or send me a picture? Are any of your dishes or serving pieces damaged cracked chipped nicked or flakes? I am only buying to add to my own set. I am not a dealer or retailer.
Feel free to email
Me privately to discuss further.
kathycmoore@gmail.com
Thank you
Kathy
Are you still interested in Desert Rose china? Have an extensive collection – service for 12 as well as tea pots, serving dishes, platters, cookie jar, mugs, etc. from my mother who recently passed away. Mostly USA. Please let me know if you are interested.
I have been looking for a set. Do you still have it for sale?
Hi, I was looking online and came across your post in regards to purchasing Desert Rose. I have a complete set from my grandmothers. If you are interested or know of someone who is, please let me know. Thank you, Lisa Pusatera
Ebay
Mrs Moore,
I inherited a 200 piece Desert Rose collection.. I have piece’s most people never knew existed… The Pig that is a 6.5″ X 5″ X 3.5″ Piggy bank… EX-Large Milk Picture… Milk Glasses.. Candle Holders…
This was my grandmother’s pride and joy.. She traveled all over looking for this or that piece… I feel guilty that I never use them.. I would love to sell them to someone who would cherish them as she did… Most of it is California… That is one thing she too looked for.. I do have a few pieces that are not… I too had childhood memories of being in the RV hunting Mrs. Leona Turner’s (AKA Mammaw) Precious Desert Rose’s… It was fun to read every note…. “Except the Fire One” So sorry for her complete loss Home, Heirlooms, Picture’s … I can’t imagine….
Thank You
Le Anne Turner
My mum started buying these when I was so young I don’t remember; she has many sets of beautiful dishes and gave me these because I adore them and she never used them. I have full service for 4 all made in Cali. I just bought a few pieces off of eBay. I am unsure if I can actually bake in the casserole dish or if it is just for serving. Help!!!
Hello!!! The California ones are the prettiest and the original ones. And they are the oldest. If it is a baking dish I would imagine you could bake in it. But I am not an expert on that. If it’s very important to you, then I might suggest not risking it.
Thank you for the wonderful information about the Desert Rose pattern and plates. I have decided to pull out my grandmother’s plates and use them. Found a lot that were made in California and are numbered. Also have a few from England. So nice to have the information as to which are dishwasher and microwave safe (England ones printed on back) and which may not be…the Older California made one.
Thanks again for the information.
Glad the information was helpful Karen!!! Enjoy your dessert rose.
I have a huge collection of desert rose that was left in the house that I just bought. can you tell if I can sell them and if they are worth anything?
Karen, they are still very popular. The value depends on when and where they were made as I mentioned in the post.
After finding and reading this blog, I’m going to start using my dishes too. It’s time for the next generation to buy their own. I love these dishes. The weight of the California ones are perfect. I haven’t looked at my set in years, it’s about time I used it. Thanks for all the information you posted. I really appreciate it.
I received a 12 piece place setting for my wedding in 1983. I inherited another 16 piece place setting from a family friend. Finally I was given 24 place settings from my aunt. I have multiple tea pots, coffee pots, water jugs, 24 water goblets, water and juice glasses, mutiple candle sticks, grinder salt and pepper shakers, tall shakers and 6 sets of rose bud shakers, mixing bowls-platters, serving dishes, dish towels, wine glasses and more.
I’ve given my daughter a set for everyday use, and I use some for everyday. I have 12 place settings put aside for my son when/if he and his girlfriend ever want them. I have 24 settings that I keep for special occasions so that they stay pristine. I envision holding a wedding rehearsal dinner with them all some day (I can dream anyway).
All are from California, most are McBean.
I use them everyday and love them everyday.
That sounds amazing Penny! What a fabulous collection.
I am happy to hear you use your California Desert Rose dishes everyday. I have some California made dishes from my grandmother that I worry are too fragile for everyday use, namely dishwasher and microwave use. I’ve been thinking about buying the England made ones just so I can use them in the dishwasher and microwave on a daily basis, rather than just special occasions.
Do you have any problems with chipping, cracking, crazing, or stains with your California dishes in the dishwasher or microwave or with general everyday use? Do you put all the dishes in the dishwasher (plates, bowls, and tea cups) or just certain pieces? Thanks for your help.
Hi Emily,
We definitely put ours in the dishwasher all the time, with no issues. As for the microwave, I confess, I don’t use it, so I don’t know how they would fare in the microwave. I think they would be fine, but don’t have first hand experience with it. My dishes are sturdy and I don’t think my dishes are chipped at all. I hope that helps.
Hi! I just purchased 2 large boxes of old California Desert Rose various pieces for $50. I felt like I hit the jackpot. I used to own a perfect set but lost it all in a natural disaster. Luckily, after reading your article, the set I just bought is far more valuable then what I lost!
To give an opinion on microwaving – I tried a small dish in the microwave and even though it was only one minute, the center of the dish felt overly hot. I won’t do that again!
I’m using my Desert Rose everyday, they make me smile.
Thanks for your lovely blog.
Bravo for you Justine!!! Thank you so much. I still enjoy my Desert Rose.
I am interested in buying a service for 8. I would love a coffee pot as a bonus or any serving piece you would like to part w providing the price is right.
What a beautiful idea to share your family treasure w your family. We are moving into a new home w a nice size dining room. I’m trying to bring my family back together so I’d like to add to the desert rose collection my Mom left me.
My information is below. Let me know if we can make a deal. If not, keep your family’s traditions alive.
Thank you. Family values are so very important, especially in these trying times.
Donna Hecker
Donna, Are you still interested in Desert Rose? My mother left quite a large collection with coffee pot, glasses, several serving pieces, gravy boat, and cookie jar. California and English pieces. If interested I can send pictures. Thanks!
I have service for 12 all extra pieces
Thanks so much for this post! I have my grandmother’s large set of DR I inherited on display in my butler’s pantry cabinets which have glass doors. It has special meaning for me because they remind me of her. I knew her set was really old but it looks like most of it was indeed made in California. Two different types of stamp. Glad to know more info about them.
It’s also interesting to me because my other grandmother had Apple and one of my great-grandmothers had Ivy. I don’t have any of those dishes but whenever I see them in an antique store it always takes me back. Thanks again!
I’ve loved this pattern for years and decided it was time to look seriously into buying. However, I found this online and thought it would be worth sharing:
https://tamararubin.com/2018/06/leaded-franciscan-desert-rose-earthenware-china-made-in-usa-c-1941/
I also found this. Perhaps it’s safe after all.
http://www.gmcb.com/franciscan/html/Safety.htm
We just tested my great aunts vintage desert rose and it’s full of lead. Don’t know what to do other than to throw it out. It’s very dissapointing because I loved that pattern my whole life.
I have an 9 piece place setting for 8 as well as several serving pieces and the Irish coffee mugs all made in California. I love them but don’t have a good place to display them.
Here is a sad tale: I owned a service for 12 from the 1950s that was my Mom’s. In November our whole town of Paradise, Ca. burned down along with all my dishes!
Oh I’m so sorry Glee. That’s very sad news.
Hi, can you provide information on the Desert Rose items that were manufactured in Portugal. I bought a teapot which has that location on the undersie.
Sally, I am no expert on Desert Rose. I just did a bit of research. You might ask someone who sells a lot of Desert Rose who might be in the know.
Portugal is where modern Franciscanware is made. It shuld be safe.
I was given my grandmother’s huge set of Desert Rose since I always admired them. I learned a lot about them from your post. Thank you very much! They are all made in the USA. My Grandmom passed away before I was born and I’m glad I get to have this part of her. She had a huge family and I’m sure this set was used a lot and the set is in great condition! ❤️ Did you know The Golden Girls used the Desert Rose teapot in one episode!? I noticed it right away! 🙂
I found your article interesting. My late mother worked at Gladding McBean in the early 50s and then again from the late 60 til the plant closed in 1984. She painted Desert Rose, Apple, Ivy and many other patterns. In my opinion the original California made and decorated dishes are the best. The ones made in England and elsewhere do not come close the the quality of the California made. I have tons of Desert Rose , Apple and Ivy and love it all. My mother enjoyed working there and hand painting all those beautiful dishes. I warn friends to only buy the ware made in California to get the best quality.
That’s amazing Lorraine, and I absolutely agree! The original California dishes are far superior.
I have this pattern they I think are candle holders it is marked with a big F then it has a R in a circle does anyone know anything about these
Thank you for the info/history. I inherited pieces of Desert Rose from both my grannies and I LOVE the pattern. I’ve been curious about what made American vs. England production different. Now I understand. My next question is…can I put the older pieces in the dishwasher? I’d like to use them for every day and also for entertaining. But washing by hand is a drag. Can I clean them in the dishwasher or will they fade?
I wouldn’t Anne, since they weren’t made to withstand the high temperatures of the dishwasher. But I agree, that handwashing can be tedious.
I have some dishes that look like my Franciscan Desert Rose but they are not stamped on the bottom. Can you tell me how old they are and where they were made?
Deanna, I’ve heard that there are some that are not marked. I am not an expert, and I don’t have the answer to your question. There might be another site with someone who is an expert in these dishes. Great question!
Hi Deanna,
I also have some Desert Rose peices that don’t have anything printed on them. Did you ever find out what that meant?
I have service for 12 and many serving pieces in the Apple pattern. All were made in California and I am the original owner. After the closing of the plant in Southern California, Apple and Desert Rose went first to England, then Portugal, and finally China. The pieces made in China are a disgrace and you can spot them a mile away. Totally lacking in quality and respect for the beautiful patterns. All my pieces have been lovingly used. I never put them in the dishwasher, oven, or microwave. I still love the pattern after all these years. I also have Franciscan dishes in the Madeira pattern from the 1970s. PS Just this week I purchased a mint oval Apple serving platter made in CA for $5.99.
Dear Anita,
Thank you for all your information. I have inherited many (at least a service of 10 or more with the teapot, creamer, sugar bowl and plater) of Desert rose that I am willing to sell if anyone is interested. They all were made in USA. They have that beautiful raised feature.
Thanks
Mary Beth
I have about half of my grandmother’s set and am hoping to inherit the rest from my aunt eventually. We used these dishes when I was a child and many have small chips, etc. I have decided that I love them again and would like to add to my collection. I am glad I found this thread, but disturbed by the lead article that I read here. Everyone in my family ate off these plates for years, so I am not sure how much stock I should put in that article. Anyway, my dishes all bear the same stamp. I believe it is the original, but I am wondering if I could post it here?
I’ve got a cabinet FULL of Desert Rose from my Grandma; both grandmas collected them! Just because others used them and seem to be “fine” does not mean that heavy metal isn’t an issue. I’ve been tested and several metals have come up including lead.
I’m sad to pull all the dishes and put them away. I will err on the side of caution and likely put them where they can still be seen and enjoyed. Heavy metals is nothing to mess around with: nerve damage, brain damage, and lots of other issues. I’ve been working on detoxing the metals — it is a process and be sure to get some help with it.
I have done a heavy metal detox, so yes I agree, people need to be very careful. I never tested positive for lead though. Did you test your dishes to see if the lead came from the dishes? I think the ones people are concerned about are the ones made in California.
I have a large amount of apple franciscan dinner ware. The bottom reads: Franciscan made in California. How old is that? The dishes came in a hutch we purchased, & many pieces appear unused. There are at least 10 place settings as well as serving pieces, tumblers, a pitcher, bowls, a platter, a gravy boat. What do I have?
Hi. I remember painting desert rose and apple when I worked in the pottery industry in Stoke on Trent. It was a sad day when the ‘pot banks’ closed and the manufacturing went abroad. Looking at the peace’s made in China they have definitely not been hand painted.
Teresa, that’s amazing! I love hearing that. So you are one of the artists that did that work.
I am 75 and have used my grandmother’s dessert rose dishes since 1970s. I lived in California in the 80s and went to the factory when it was closing in 1984. I found dust covered containers with unusual pieces and purchased several such candle dishes which I have never seen anywhere else. How can I determine their value.
The posts are fascinating! Little did I know that this china was so popular and so widely collected! I inherited a set of Desert Rose with the California back stamp from my Mom, who collected them in the 1940’s. I always absolutely loved these dishes, used them often, and am getting ready to hand them down to my daughter.
I have a slightly “wonky” set, 16 x some pieces and only 8 of others. If any of your followers are near Toronto, Canada, and have or need pieces…..I’d like to level out the numbers if possible!!
Thanks
I have my great grandmothers 12 piece serving set of desert rose china. Some of them say made in the USA and some of Them say made in California and they appear to have numbers on them (which I’m not sure what it means.). do you think there’s anything you can tell me about these dishes? I can send a photo but I’m not sure how on here. I was thinking of selling them
I suggest looking on eBay for pricing information. That’s the best place to find current information. They seem to be eternally popular!
I am 67. I inherited the Desert Rose from an Aunt. I also chose as my own in 1971. I only want American, USA marks. I love it and use it frequently. I also inherited my mother’s Franciscan Ivy from 1951. Stunning! I hope everyone who owns some uses and thoroughly enjoys! I have many childhood memories attached to this china…
Thank you so much for your post. I was just doing my own research on this and found you. You answered all of my questions and you were way more thorough in your information, including ‘the lead in the paint’ concern. Excellent answer. I was to inherit my grandmother’s Desert Rose set. It went to my mother and when she died six years ago my step father played emotional kidnap with it, so I never received the china. I have finally come to terms and am looking to purchase my own set. I found one locally on a ‘garage sale type’site and I’m comparing prices on Ebay. The prices are all over the place. That’s why I started my research. However, I’m not sure at which stage of production I should consider is the price to start at. I like to consider after the lead issue start date. But my grandmother’s set was one of the originals. Or, are the dishes still made? I thought I read that they are. I guess it all comes down to what do I want to do.
I have four place settings of Desert Rose, some USA and a few England. I also have a cream and sugar and salt and pepper, one sauce dish, 5 cups. I would like to sell them, but don’t know where to do this.
I live in West Michigan, near Grand Rapids. Can you or any of your viewers help me with this or how to look for an antique shop who buys?
QUESTION @ THE END….
Thank you so much for writing the initial article/blog and the follow up. Like so many of us, I too have my Grandmothers Apple Blossom set, which I cherish and do not use for fear of breaking. However, several decades past, for my graduation present we went to shop for my everyday china pattern, and since she had Apple Blossom, I picked Desert Rose which I do use everyday. I hunt for made in the USA when I am in a antique store.
Question: I want to believe that the plates with the 3 marks on the bottom, are older as the marks appear to be from a stand possibly for hand painting which is then broken off and glazed over. Do you have any insight on this, as you have been researching off and on for so many years.
Chris, I wish I knew more about the marks, but I don’t. Keep searching. I bet someone knows the answer.
I have over 87 to 90 something pieces of the dessert rose set , little plates, big plates, cups, a tea pot , gravy bowl and so much more ……even salt and pepper shaker. I’m pretty sure they are all American made 1940s . I have had them for years . Not sure what to do with them.
I have dishes from 1940 (when the Dessert Rose was first manufactured) the 1970s (they made the shape less scalloped) the 1990s (when they were made in England by the Wedgewood Company) and then the latest made in Japan (or China…I was told Japan.) I keep adding to my set as the family grows (my latest purchase was the original 1940s dishes…huge round and oval platters, plus huge pitchers and plates.) I am happy to tell you that all dishes was beautifully under the light setting in my dishwasher. I would love to post a picture of the differences in the plates over the decades…and the various markings on the reverse sides. If you would like photos, let me know! BTW, we use these dishes for every day use, so I tell everyone NOT to use in the microwave (people wouldn’t look at the bottom of the plates to see if modern made or a collectible!)
Thank you for sharing what you have learned about Franciscan Desert Rose china. In 2010 I inherited my mom’s china, but only recently started using any of it. Now I use the tea cups & saucers for my morning, afternoon, and evening tea. Nearly all of the pieces are Gladding, McBean & Co, although the cup stamp only has “F”, USA, and a 2 or 3 digit number. Most are from pre 1965. The possibility of LEAD never occured to me! I was trying to decide whether to sell all but 4 place setting and the serving pieces before moving to the lower 48, but due to risk of lead I will sell all of it! Glad I found your site
I have a full set, about 60+ pieces of the Desert Rose Made in America set. Any clue as to who and where I can sell it to and how I would go about finding the value? They came from my grandmother, to my mother, to my wife. They have been in a display cabinet and we are remodeling. My mother or wife do not want them at all. Would love for someone to own these that would appreciate them.
Todd, I would check with local resale shops and consignment stores. I am not sure what the going price is, but you can check the prices on eBay for a ballpark figure.
I have some pieces that I am going to sell both good and chipped. You can contact me if looking for some, maybe I can help.
I just acquired some Franciscan Desert Rose stemware goblets to go along with my set of Desert Rose dishes. These glasses are not marked Franciscan anywhere on them. In looking online for instance on ebay I was noticing that alot of the stemware does have the Franciscan marking. I have compared the design of mine with the design on the marked glasses and mine do appear to be authentic Franciscan. What would be the reason why some stemware did not get the marking put on them? Thank you.
I have some pieces that I am willing to sell dated 1995 Made in England, microwave and dishwasher safe. I have the covered casserole, sugar and creamer, serving platters as well as cups and saucers, dinner plates.
Let me know if you are looking.
I have some pieces that I am going to sell. I have dinner plates, small plates, cup/saucers, platter, covered casserole, salt/pepper and sugar/creamer.
Contact me for more info.
Thanks.
I am 90 years old and purchased Desert Rose when I was married in 1955. Now, just today, discovered there might be a lead issue. Oh, my! My late sister (5 years older than I) purchased Guardian Service when she married. Used it her entire life. Her daughters now in their 70s grew up with all their food prepared in it. Hammered aluminum. It was no longer available when I married. Warehouse had burned. About eight years ago found three wonderful pieces at a neighbor’s yard sale. He remembered his grandmother’s Sunday dinners cooked in these pieces. He didn’t want to sell but wife insisted he get rid of it. How I love using it. Really don’t mind being an old foggy. Really enjoyed reading all of these responses. Learned a lot and enjoyed reading about the attachment some of us feel for old standbys. Another time and place. June B
Is there any place I can obtain info on every piece of franscian desert rose pattern. I have so many pieces I have no idea what they are. Any info you can share with me will be greatly aporeciated
Hi Roberta, I don’t have any current sources. I think you should be able to find a lot of information by simply using google. I wrote this post almost 10 years ago, so I don’t remember were I looked for the information. All the best to you!
Hi! I just received half of my grandmother’s Desert Rose dishes. It is all made in the USA and generally from 1953-1958 according to the marks. She died in 1982 so I know none was purchased after that. The rose bud salt and pepper shakers have a black ceramic bottom. Any ideas about this? All the ones I’ve seen so far posted online have white or cream colored bottoms.
Susan, I wish I did! I get asked so many questions about Desert Rose, and sadly I am just not an expert. You could probably find an answer if you google your question.
Thank you for your informative article on these beautiful dishes. I would like to share my experience about possible lead content in Franciscan dishes.
I have owned my Franciscan Apple dishes since I was married in 1983. They were new at the time and have used them daily with my family for all these years. I love this pattern. My Mother-In-Law used the beautiful Desert Rose set for her “fancy” dishes.
Over the years several pieces have been broken so I have bought replacements through Replacements.com. They sent older dishes which were in excellent condition, and I knew what approximate years they were made by the back stamps. I also have a few dishes that were made in England (date of 1996) on the back stamp. They are not quite as pretty as the original but close enough.
While looking up the back stamps on the internet, I began seeing articles about lead content in vintage dishes, and became very alarmed by what I was reading about Franciscan dishes. In the articles different types of lead testing were used, some very sophisticated and others were kits from the hardware store.
I bought a lead testing kit from Ace Hardware for about $12 and tested my newer and older Apple dishes. I did not see any reaction color (pink) on my newer dishes, even the ones slightly pitted from use. When I tested an older dish, which was in pristine condition, LOTS OF PINK appeared!
So my garbage can is now full of beautiful but dangerous, I feel, vintage Franciscan Apple dishes. In my household there is no way to keep them separated for display only, so out they went.
I will continue to use my set since it did not test high for lead with my kit. Some might think that a dish should go to a lab for testing and not to trust a kit from the hardware store, and that would be their choice. I have a very healthy grown family with no known problems associated with lead. I am not an overly cautious person, but I will be careful to discard dishes as they chip, and not use in the microwave anymore. And I will definitely serve children on current lead-free Fiesta dishes.
I hope my experience will be helpful to those who love the Franciscan patterns.
Thank you.
Oh I hope you didn’t literally throw them out. I have some dishes that I know have lead in them, so I don’t eat off of them, but I do use them for display. Glad you are educated about the lead and are keeping your family safe Sally.
The dishes can even be dangerous even if just handled. The lead can get onto one’s hands and then transferred to other things. Unless one is putting them behind a case of some sort, it’s probably best to trash or give to someone who is going to never eat off of them (which who wants a whole set that they never eat off of??).
I have my mothers, she registered for it when she married my father in the 1950’s. The pieces are stamped from 1940’s through the 50’s. We ate off of them everyday for most of my life and they are my daily china now with absolutely NO ill effects. For the record I am 52. This response is fear mongering and disappointing.
The marks are explained and pictures of them in this youtube video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz-wdKfFi8Y
Made in the USA
Black ink, made in CA are 1940 (for apple) 1941 (for rose) through 1958
Brown ink, TV screen mark, 1958-1976
Black ink, Flying F, 1976 -1984
I have my mothers, she registered for it when she married my father in the 1950’s. The pieces are stamped from 1940’s through the 50’s. We ate off of them everyday for most of my life and now they are my daily china with absolutely NO ill effects. For the record I am 52. Additionally, all the children in our family have eaten from them and grew up to be military officers, medical professionals to homemakers. use your own judgement in making decisions about vintage china but remember previous generations used these items and lived long fruitful lives.
I am not surprised that the dishes were fine for you. I think a lot of these old plates are fine, but I have to be on the safe side, and give this disclaimer about the possible lead content. It’s best to be informed, then people can make their own decisions.
Anita – Maybe proof your first couple of paragraphs. Franciscan is misspelled.
Loved the article. I got my set on FreeCycle and need to evaluate it.
Doris, I’ll double check that. Spelling is not my thing, as you can tell. Have a blessed day!
Your information was helpful. I would like to know more about the timeline of the various companies that produced the hand painted glassware that matched the dishes. I’d like to be able to date the pieces I have and know more about them.
Hi Rebecca, I’m not an expert, and can’t answer your question. I hope you find someone more knowledgeable about the dishes.
Did anyone else get their DR using Betty Crocker coupons? I did this in late 70’s and early 80’s. It took me years to get 6 place settings And a few extra pieces. According to the backstamp they were made in Staffordshire England.
Oh that’s so interesting Lou.
I saw this dish on Pinterest and it reminded me so much of my mother who worked in a factory that made plates just like this. I believe it was located in Pasadena California. She would bring home those plates with a slight flaw. We were a poor family and ate beans and rice on elegant plates and cups. Talk about setting a table.
I just paid $600 for a huge collection of Desert Rose at a thrift store before I had a chance to research it. I am kicking myself right now! Everything is still wrapped up in newspapers in the garage. After reading about the possible lead content, I don’t know what to do. Should I even unwrap them and bring them in the house? I don’t plan on using them. They will just be on display in my dining room. I don’t even know what to tell my husband if I have to put them in tomorrow’s garbage pick up.
Sharon, my opinion is that they are fine for display! I’m not sure they are dangerous for eating, but I can’t say they are safe for that. Handling them seems like it would be safe, from what I have read. But I’m not an expert. I have some that I know have lead in them, and I display those.
This blog has been so helpful! When I lived in Strasbourg, France in the mid-70’s I bought some Desert Rose linen napkins, a center of table oval and a round table cloth for my mother, who had a full set of the dishes (all vintage from the 40’s). The linens still look like new as she only used them on special occasions. Do you have any idea of the best place to sell them? Thanks!
Etsy or eBay would be the best Jan, unless you have a good consignment store nearby.